I ran across, & participated in, an interesting conversation at WolfMoon’s Q TreeHouse on the Jury system in America. There is some great historical info within…so I’m sharing it here. Please take the time to read through & add your thoughts in the comments below if you’d like to expand the conversation.
Here is where you can find the beginning of this conversation:
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/08/11/dear-kag-20200811-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-569672
Well thanks for stopping by. I hope this conversation kindles an interest in learning more about our nation’s founding & the profound thoughts & insights of those who bequeathed us the greatest nation on earth (warts & all). We have a Judeo-Christian moral foundation & an English Common Law legal foundation & these foundation stones are those upon which a strong nation-state can be built.
God Bless!!!
The below quote is not from a relative, that we are aware of 😉
The “rioting jury pool” needs to educate us that something is WRONG with LE withholding ALL FACTS from the public.
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It basically means the media gets to shape the jury pool, to the point where to find an untainted juror you have to find people with barely enough brains to fog a mirror.
Unfortunately, there’s probably Supreme Court precedent going back decades on this.
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And that’s why we need TRUMP-GRADE SCOTUS justices – who are willing to upend decades or even centuries of dead-end departure from the intent of the founders at the HIGHEST LEVELS.
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FIRST you need to HAVE JURIES!!!!
“The primary function of the independent juror, is not as many think, to dispense punishment to fellow citizens accused of breaking various laws, but rather to protect fellow citizens from tyrannical abuses of power by the government!” — Merry Colin
Thomas Jefferson also wrote in letters:
Maybe this is the REAL REASON Thomas Jefferson is attacked and being tossed on the dung heap by the left.
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This is absolutely awesome!!! Thank you so much for sharing this!!!
On a completely separate note, Angelle Staria/at the Gates of War wanted me to let you know how much he appreciates your prayers & the words of encouragement that I copied to him the other day…God Bless!
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AND then there is CASE LAW.
If a Liberal Judge or Judge and jury go outside the actual laws to find a person guilty then it becomes enshrined in CASE LAW and that Judge or Judge and jury have enacted NEW LAWS without going through the normal process. (Think Lawfare)
More stolen from Black Beauty :
April 25, 2018 at 12:56 am
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What I’d like to see happen is: get rid of voir dire (beyond ensuring the juror doesn’t know the defendant, victim, either counsel, any other juror, or any of the witnesses) as it’s just an avenue for jury stacking.
If you MUST keep voir dire, reform it so it focuses not on finding someone who knows nothing at all about the case, but rather someone who is capable of putting aside what he thinks he knows when faced with contradictory evidence in court.
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AMEN!!!
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Thats professional grand jury intellect youre looking for.
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Grand jury?
I’d love to see some sort of mechanism where the accused gets to present exculpatory information right there, to avoid prosecutors who are prosecuting as a means of political grandstanding or intimidation.
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Me, I’d favor to go full Gowachin courtarena.
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For those not familiar, any party (including the judges) may enter the courtarena with bias — but not prejudgment. Jorj X. McKie, a legum during the Dosadi case, demonstrated that one of the judges on the panel had prejudged the case…..and speared him before the ruling was issued.
One feature of the courtarena is that none of the participants is guaranteed to survive the experience — litigants, counsel, judges, officers of the court, or spectators are required to properly play their respective roles and can find themselves abruptly and unexpectedly under question.
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The entire concept of a jury pool is that like-minded, common-sense individuals could evaluate what is known and come to a fair disposition. Instead, we have all these rules of evidence to see which attorney can best bamboozle the jury through strategic selection of withheld information.
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Exactly. We have stood common sense on its HEAD!
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Yhe Oligarcy running this country worked long and har to get RID OF JURY TRIALS
Note on Jury trials in the USA.
The 6th and 11th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and Article 3 Section 2 give US citizens the right to a trial. However as Joan Biskupic stated
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SEE:
* http://www.copblock.org/29691/what-is-jury-nullification/
Here is how the politicians have gotten around the US Constitution to make sure citizens are denied their right to a trial:
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Last comment on the DESTRUCTION of our Constitution and system of law.
Dr. Harrison Schmitt (former US Senator (NM), astronaut, geologist, #12 man on the Moon) put it very bluntly
That is why I put FDR ahead of the rest as the most EVIL President.
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The transfer of power from the people and states to the federal government includes the granting of legislative power to the executive branch. This includes not only bureaucrats like the EPA and FDA making ‘Regulations’ with the same clout as a Congressional law but Executive Orders. (The Supreme Court ruled this was OK if there was a Federal Register where citizens could comment on the regulations. Ever seen anything about that RIGHT in any high school class??? Also did the over 5000 HELL NO’s! and very few YES! comments on the Federal Register stop the bureaucrats from giving us Animal ID anyway???
Now bureaucratic departments have a ‘within house Judicial Tribunal’ that replaces the trial by jury, as well as complex ‘regulations’ no one can understand. Any question as to WHY farmers and businesses get fined millions of dollars that go DIRECTLY to THAT DEPARTMENT? In this way the Supreme Court intentionally trashed the Constitution and Amendment VII.
Pretty darn clear isn’t it? But As I showed in a different comment the Supreme Court didn’t think so.
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Right to Jury in Civil Cases
*https://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/amendments/7/essays/159/right-to-jury-in-civil-cases
Toward the end of the Constitutional Convention, Hugh Williamson of North Carolina noted that “no provision was yet made for juries in civil cases and suggested the necessity of it.”
There has recently been some attempt to put lipstick on the regulation pig:
Cornell has the actual law
5 U.S. Code Chapter 8 – CONGRESSIONAL REVIEW OF AGENCY RULEMAKING
*https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/part-I/chapter-8
There is also the cost of regulations:
*http://www.nam.org/Data-and-Reports/Cost-of-Federal-Regulations/Federal-Regulation-Full-Study.pdf
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