HoneyTrail & Treeper Wisdom

So…I probably have too much time on my hands…but I was struck at the top of the page to look up All the posts done by AdRem (69 pages worth!)…& I scrolled back to the very beginning…& wouldn’t you know it she started out her posts at TCTH with a prayer request page re-posted from the site, HoneyTrail (I think), where the Treehouse founders had gathered previously…anyway here’s a re-post from that very first AdRem post found here:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2011/02/01/honeytrail-prayer-requests/

“Menagerie says:
December 15, 2010 at 4:28 pm
My oldest son (mentioned above) provided me with one of the most touching and awesome examples of prayer I have ever seen. He was a tiny little boy, saying his bedtime prayers in his cute little footy pajamas. He was a whirlwind, never still, and he asked MILLIONS of questions every day. He would never be satisfied unless he understood the answer completly. On this night, after he relentlessly prayed for family, pets, bugs and toys, he said “Dear lord, what did you do today?” He sat very quietly for a few moments, smiled and went to bed. I was flumoxed. Being young and not nearly as good at prayer as my little boy, I had never thought about asking God what he did. But this child who never stopped demanding an answer must have gotten one. It was just so………..innocent and real. It is one of the things that underpins my faith. God is, to me, evident in the simple moments.”

Here is another gem found at that first AdRem post:

  •  sundancecracker says:

    Does God Exist?

    ‘Let me explain the problem science has with religion.’

    The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.
    ‘You’re a Christian, aren’t you, son?’
    ‘Yes, sir,’ the student says.
    ‘So you believe in God?’
    ‘Absolutely. ‘
    ‘Is God good?’
    ‘Sure! God’s good.’
    ‘Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?’
    ‘Yes.’
    ‘Are you good or evil?’
    ‘The Bible says I’m evil.’
    The professor grins knowingly. ‘Aha! The Bible! He considers for a moment. ‘Here’s one for you. Let’s say there’s a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?’
    ‘Yes, sir, I would.’
    ‘So you’re good…!’
    ‘I wouldn’t say that.’
    ‘But why not say that? You’d help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn’t.’
    The student does not answer, so the professor continues. ‘He doesn’t, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that one?’

    The student remains silent. ‘No, you can’t, can you?’ the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax ‘Let’s start again, young fella.

    Is God good?’
    ‘Er..yes,’ the student says.
    ‘Is Satan good?’
    The student doesn’t hesitate on this one. ‘No.’
    ‘Then where does Satan come from?’
    The student falters. ‘From God.’
    ‘That’s right. God made Satan, didn’t he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?’
    ‘Yes, sir.’
    ‘Evil’s everywhere, isn’t it? And God did make everything, correct?’
    ‘Yes.’
    ‘So who created evil?’ The professor continued, ‘If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.’

    Again, the student has no answer. ‘Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things…do they exist in this world?’
    The student squirms on his feet. ‘Yes.’
    ‘So who created them?’
    The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. ‘Who created them?’ There is still no answer.

    Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.

    ‘Tell me,’ he continues onto another student.
    ‘Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?’
    The student’s voice betrays him and cracks. ‘Yes, professor, I do.’
    The old man stops pacing. ‘Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?’
    ‘No, sir. I’ve never seen Him.’
    ‘Then tell us if you’ve ever heard your Jesus?’
    ‘No, sir, I have not.’
    ‘Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelled your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?’
    ‘No, sir, I’m afraid I haven’t.’
    ‘Yet you still believe in him?’
    ‘Yes.’

    ‘According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?’

    ‘Nothing,’ the student replies. ‘I only have my faith.’

    ‘Yes, faith,’ the professor repeats. ‘And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.’

    The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of his own.
    ‘Professor, is there such thing as heat?’
    ‘Yes.’
    ‘And is there such a thing as cold?’
    ‘Yes, son, there’s cold, too.’
    ‘No, sir, there isn’t.’
    The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. ‘You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don’t have anything called ‘cold’. We can hit down to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.’

    Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

    ‘What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?’
    ‘Yes,’ the professor replies without hesitation. ‘What is night if it isn’t darkness?’
    ‘You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it’s called darkness, isn’t it? That’s the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?’

    The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. ‘So what point are you making, young man?’

    ‘Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.’

    The professor’s face cannot hide his surprise this time. ‘Flawed? Can you explain how?’

    ‘You are working on the premise of duality,’ the student explains. ‘You argue that there is life and then there’s death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.

    Sir, science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood, either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it. Now tell me, professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?’

    ‘If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.’
    ‘Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?’
    The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
    ‘Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir?
    Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?’

    The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

    ‘To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.’ The student looks around the room. ‘Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor’s brain?’ The class breaks out into laughter. ‘Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor’s brain, felt the professor’s brain, touched or smelled the professor’s brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?’

    Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. ‘I guess you’ll have to take them on faith.’

    ‘Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,’ the student continues. ‘Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?’
    Now uncertain, the professor responds, ‘Of course, there is. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man’s inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.’

    To this the student replied, ‘Evil does not exist, sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God’s love present in his heart. It’s like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.’

    The professor sat down.

    That student later went on to write a book. It was titled “God vs. Science” published in 1921 by the student ‘Albert Einstein’.”

     

     

…& here’s another gem:

  1.  WeeWeed says:

    I got an email today with “instructions” for the “Five Fingered Prayer” – it makes sense (to me, anyway!) and I like it so I want to share it with y’all. I don’t know the author, that info wasn’t included. Here goes.
    1. Your thumb is nearest you. So begin your prayers by praying for those closest to you. They are the easiest to remember. To pray for our loved ones is, as C.S. Lewis once said, a ‘sweet duty.’
    2. The next finger is the pointing finger. Pray for those who teach, instruct and heal. This includes teachers, doctors, and ministers. They need support and wisdom in pointing others in the right direction. Keep them in your prayers.
    3. The next finger is the tallest finger. It reminds us of our leaders. Pray for the president, leaders in business and industry, and administrators. These people shape our nation and guide public opinion. They need God’s guidance.
    4. The fourth finger is our ring finger. Surprising to many is the fact that this is our weakest finger, as any piano teacher will testify. It should remind us to pray for those who are weak, in trouble or in pain. They need your prayers day and night. You cannot pray too much for them.
    5. And lastly comes our little finger – the smallest finger of all, which is where we should place ourselves in relation to God and others. As the Bible says, ‘The least shall be the greatest among you.’ By the time you have prayed for the other four groups, your own needs will be put into proper perspective and you will be able to pray for yourself more effectively.

    God Bless!

     

     

& here’s another precious comment:

  1.  Pat P says:

    I am reading my mother’s poems and essays today. I promised to copy them for my great niece, so am sorting through these for the first time in a long while. Lots of tears, but happy ones (mom passed away in 1997). Anyway, I thought I would share this little essay she wrote about prayer:

    I planted some bulbs last Fall. Brown and dead looking they were but, with hope, I covered them over. Now it is Spring, and out in my garden I saw some cracks in the earth where the bulbs were planted; soon some green tips appeared, then some leaves, and I know that one day a bud will appear, and it follows that a bright golden bloom will brighten my Spring garden and, like magic, there will be purple and blue and pink so delicate and beautiful and out of place on the brown dirt.

    I planted a prayer; like the bulb, it was without life until faith and the Holy Spirit worked a miracle, and God would make something beautiful come forth. At first nothing, then a sign of something – a further word or sign and I can hope in the answer that the prayer has life and will bring forth that which God has intended, for His will is over all things. We have only to set in motion by “planting”. He will do the rest.

Skimming through this first Conservative Treehouse prayer page, that was actually a re-post of the one from the HoneyTrail site was a blessing.  Many of the commenters continue to be active at the Treehouse &/or Stella’s Place.  What a blessing this online community of faith has been for many years now!  I’m so glad to have found the Treehouse & Stella’s Place sites, they both provide valuable info & refreshment  for the soul!  Please consider stopping by & joining in…God Bless!

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